Make Screws For Old Redfield Rings

Copyright 2012 by Junior Doughty

I get occasional emails from guys wanting screws for old Redfield rings. Normal 6-48 or 8-40 ring screws won't fit. I tell them, Sorry, but I don't have the proper screws. Then Steve B from Washington emailed about his old Redfield rings and their boogered screws. He knew the proper size—pre-1981 Redfield ring screws are 5-44 x .355". No one sells them.

The thought struck me that the 5-44 x 1" Fillister screws I sell could probably be altered to fit. So I decided to do a how-to article on the altering process. I had Steve send me his rings and the boogered screws. I'd alter new screws, if I could, and send Steve's rings back either still boogered or like new. Whichever case, he'd get his rings back for free. He jumped on the deal.

Let's get one thing straight—I won't do this again except on scope rings of my own. You'll have to alter your own screws. Another thing—it would take a gunsmith maybe two hours or $50 to $100 to alter eight screws. So spend $25 on new rings or alter the screws yourself.

Plus, as you'll see below, Steve's rings had a factory defect which I had to correct. There was a reason the screw heads were boogered.

You will need:

  • Nine, 5-44 x 1" Fillister screws sold here @ 75 each = $6.75. You only need eight, but I highly suggest buying nine so you'll have an extra for Murphy.

  • A 5-44 tap sold here @ $2.75. I used a taper tap, but a plug tap would have worked a little better. You might not need a tap. But at only $2.75 you be the judge.

  • A 5-44 die sold here @ $8.75. You can't do this without the die.

  • A drill press. A plain ol' 1/4" electric drill will work.

  • A bench vise.

  • A file, coarse works better & faster.

  • A micrometer. Don't even think about this process without one.

Click for full size popup photo I checked out Steve's rings when they arrived and noticed old thread-lock debris in the tapped holes.

Steve had sent the boogered screws, so I figured I'd simply screw one in from the flat side of the ring bottom and push out the thread-lock debris. But I couldn't hand turn the screw all the way into the hole. I found a hex key for the boogered screw head, but even with force I still couldn't turn the screw all the way in and through the hole. I tried another screw in the neighboring hole. Worse.

The holes hadn't been tapped all the way through!


Click for full size popup photo Here's a look at the other side. Those two screws are tightened down as far as they will go!

I checked the other two tapped holes in this ring bottom and the four tapped holes in the other ring bottom—all were short tapped. No wonder the screw heads were boogered.

It was an epiphany for me, and so should it be for you. No wonder some scopes are "hard to zero," as guys often complain. They tighten their ring screws so hard it boogers the heads, and the scope still changes zero or
shoots poor groups.

Maybe their ring bases are short tapped. I'll never again install new scope rings without running a screw through all of the tapped holes as a check for short tapped holes. If I take one of my scopes out of its rings, I'll run a screw through all of the tapped holes. I suggest you do the same!

Click for full size popup photo Here we see a 5-44 x 1" Fillister screw finger-turned all the way through the re-tapped far hole. In the near hole we see a 5-44 taper tap which has finished its job. The taper part of the tap is fully through the hole, and so are several full-diameter cutting threads. With the tap un-screwed and removed, a finger-turned 5-44 x 1" Fillister screw easily went all the way through the hole.

I suspect the factory guy had his depth-stop set for a plug tap and broke it or lost it and mistakenly installed a taper tap. The tapered tip of a plug tap is much shorter than the tip of a taper tap. So the tap itself went through the holes to the proper depth, but its cutting threads didn't—thus short tapped holes. I suspect several Redfield rings were short tapped that day 30+ years ago. Again, I suggest you check the tapped holes in all brands of scope rings.

Click for full size popup photo All eight holes properly re-tapped, the next step was turning down the heads of eight 5-44 x 1" Fillister screws.

The head diameters of the old, boogered Redfield screws were .172". The head diameters of my new screws were .194". So I clamped them in my drill press and pressed a file against the spinning side.

  • The photo shows a fine-toothed file. I soon switched to a coarse-toothed file and drastically decreased the head-turning time. With the coarse file, I estimate per-screw turning time at 2 minutes, including stopping to micrometer the heads. Stopping the drill press and trying the new heads in the ring's countersunk holes took more time than stopping the drill press and actually measuring the heads.

    Also, just because a new head fit a countersunk hole did not mean it fit all eight countersunk holes. The holes varied in diameter by ± .002".

  • Note the drill press quill clamped to screw threads which will be discarded.

Click for full size popup photo Here we see both rings and all eight 5-44 x 1" head-turned screws finger-tightened as a check for fit.

Not a single screw encountered resistance during 44 turns. Slick as you-know-what.

Note the front, bottom left screw.

See how it's at an angle compared to the screw behind it?

That's because the hole was drilled at an angle. That particular factory defect bothered me, but in the final analysis it made no difference in the performance of the rings. Still. . . .

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Hacksaw Time

 

First step was to determine the needed OAL of the finished screws.

I clamped two ring halves together and measured the distance across the screw-hole area with my micrometer as you see it here.

The resulting measurement of .475" would be my benchmark OAL for the finished screws. A straight edge previously placed across the tops of the new, seated screws showed them level to almost level with the surface of the screw-hole area of the top ring. I estimated a ± .002" level to not-level difference would be fine.

As one turn of a 44 screw is 1 ÷ 44 = ~ .0227", I needed a rough-cut OAL with a margin of error of more than 1 thread.

Click for full size popup photo So:

  .475"
+.0227"
=.4977" or rounded off to .500"

So, one by one, I threaded the screws through the die and crudely measured a .500"+ distance from the back of the die to the tip of the screw head. That would give me at least .025" to later file off the end of each screw.

I then clamped the die in my vise as you see here and hacksawed off the excess screw length, using the back of the die as a guide for the hacksaw blade. The hacksaw blade marred the die not at all.

Next, I filed the cut-off screws to a near-exact .475" OAL.

Click for full size popup photo I backed off the die's adjustment screw so the vice jaws would clamp the die against the screw and keep the screw from turning during the filing process.

Then I measured the OAL of the cut-off screw, still in the die, and then determined how much to file off the tip using the 1-thread-distance of .0227" as a guide.

For example, 1/4 of .0227" is ~ .0057". So if the screw's OAL was .485" I needed to shorten it .010" or not quite 1/2 turn to reach my goal of .475". I would then turn the screw in a tad more than 1/4 turn.

I then began filing and measuring, filing and measuring.

As the full-size version of the above picture shows, it was easy to file the screw tip exactly even with the top of the die. The big, coarse file you see in the background barely scratched the surface of the die.

It was easy to control the OAL of the finished screw via the method of 1/4 turn = ~.006" so 1/8 turn = ~.003". I ended the process with eight screws whose OAL perfectly fit the two rings.

Click for full size popup photo I thought I would have to chamfer or round the ends of the screws when I finished them, but the return trip through the die left only an occasional sewing-thread-like sliver of metal on the end of the screw. They rubbed off easily.

This picture shows the measuring part of the shortening process.

As it shows an OAL measurement of exactly .477" I could have either left it be, as I did, or I could have turned the screw in not quite 1/8 turn and filed it down ~.002".

Using this measure and file method with the proper size die, a person could shorten any screw in circa .002" increments. That's good information!

Click for full size popup photo Here we see the finished rings minus only a coat of cold blue on the sides of the screw heads and on the screw ends.

Looking good, huh?

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